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Comedian Hannah Gadsby on Fame, Barbra Streisand and Performing in Chicago
Hannah Gadsby has gone through a seven-year life cycle, as they describe it, since their comedy special āNanetteā shot them into an international spotlight.
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Now, theyāre touring the U.S. with their latest standup show āWoof!ā which has a feeling similar to the title ā a bit anxiety-inducing. In it, they take on ideas around fame, resistance and parasocial relationships.
The Australian comedian is known for being open about their life ā from talking about growing up as a lesbian in a place where homosexuality was illegal until 1997 to navigating relationships as an autistic person.
Gadsby wants their audience to āhave a thinkā at the show and, in turn, also have a laugh as they point out some universal truths.
Gadsby sat down with WTTW News ahead of Thursday nightās show at the Chicago Theatre.
WTTW News: Youāre known for being quite poignant and vulnerable on stage. Can we expect more of that in this show?
Hannah Gadsby: Part of what I bring to the stage in that vulnerability is that I just have to acknowledge whatās happening. We all know whatās happening here ā Iām just one little guy and thereās a lot of you, and that doesnāt make me afraid in the moment, like, Iām not scared of public speaking in the traditional sense, but also the numbers game is daunting. Itās weird for me that Iāve built a career where itās officially my job to start a conversation. I walk out on stage and everyoneās like, āYou first,ā you know? And that is not how I live life. (laughs)
With this show in particular, I am sort of struggling with ā what conversation am I trying to have? I think Iām in a weird place now, in a post-success world where my vulnerabilities have changed. It is a genuine vulnerability to be afraid to fail, and that fear of failure, once you have this elevated success that I stumbled into, it changes your voice because when you donāt have anything, you donāt have anything to lose. But once youāve built a name and you have expectations, you have a lot to lose.
I want to wipe that away again. ā¦ I feel like this show is again going: My lifeās changed, the world has changed. My voice and what Iām saying and how I say it is necessarily going to change because the landscape is different, but itās incredibly difficult to change as a public figure, and thatās a large part of what this show is.
When you started doing what you do, did you anticipate this level of fame? Is it something that you strived for?
Gadsby: No. My main motivating force has never been ambition, itās been moving away from discomfort. For me as an autistic person, discomfort reads differently. For a lot of people, being different is extreme discomfort. For me, doing something I donāt understand is extreme discomfort and thatās where I am now, which is really existential discomfort because I have a life now that is very different. Iāve moved out of an economic bracket that was a hustle and a struggle. The question I had to ask every day was: How? How am I going to do this? How am I going to make ends meet? How am I going to sell tickets? How, how, how, how.
And now itās become why, which is a position of extreme privilege and one that Iām grappling with in this show.
Has fame changed who you are as a person?
Gadsby: I guess so because, I think it just puts weird emphasis on parts of your life that didnāt even exist before. Itās just a different view, like, youāre up here now. So to connect to others, you look down, which is a weird concept isnāt it? Itās metaphorical, like, Iām quite tall, but I try not to look down on people.
Because it (fame) happened so late in life, sometimes I worry like, āIs this really self indulgent?ā Itās so hyper specific. My life just keeps getting more aggressively idiosyncratic, and Iām in the business of real talk, you know? But my life isnāt real anymore.
But because it happened so late in life, Iām not searching for who I am. Iām 46, and I feel like Iām now in a position and a maturity to help younger people find their way in the world. But I donāt understand the world. Itās changed so much in the last seven years. Even if you look in my industry, the way that young comics have to get their work out in the world is so different to how I had to do it, so, like, I feel like a grandfather before my time.
In the show you make a few references to Barbra Streisand. Why Barbra Streisand?
Gadsby: Well, the show began as an exercise in parasocial relationships. I just listened to her audiobook, and I thought that as a piece of work it was one of the most remarkable things Iāve experienced because sheās definitely a person that is focused on what sheās focused on ā whether it be Marlon Brando or potato, you know? I just really felt, like, this intimacy that sort of works as this rich underpinning for this incredible oeuvre that has spanned an incredible time in the world, like, the last half of the 20th century. In the sense of history, itās this huge change moment and we are living in a world that is so dramatically different from when she began her career. I just find that as a resource of history to be really interesting, and sheās such a unique voice. Sheās lived this unreal life of fame to the point, like, her life of fame is a bag of sugar and mine is a grain.
People have a parasocial relationship with me, which I find really difficult because I donāt understand relationships. Iām manually thinking my way through it, and (fans) donāt know me but I build intimacy with my work. So, I thought about flipping the script on that parasocial thing. What if I have a parasocial relationship with Barbra Streisand? And I wanted to flip the script on the concept of a one-woman show, which is often how my work is denigrated for whatever reason. But I wanted to create a one-woman show and the one woman was Barbra Streisand, and build to ā maybe I do a show and sheās in the audience, you know? That was the pipe dream.
I still sometimes think in conversation with Barbra Streisand. Parasocial relationships are very confusing, but I think thereās one element that is kind of healthy ā not for the famous person ā I think itās mostly weird and unhealthy, but youāre investing in a life and an imaginative process thatās outside of yourself. I think anything that encourages you to think beyond the existence of your skin is an interesting process.
Iām interested in your opinion on resistance. Much of your work hinges on tension and then it takes a while to get to the release. How do you balance your natural inclination to resistance and being so open in your work?
Gadsby: Thatās the struggle of my work, and itās particularly inherent in this show. The whole show is grappling with that manual thinking, but I think the world is in this phase where weāre hyperaware and everyone is in a place asking: āWhat is happening and how do I fit in?ā Thereās a general sense of unease at the same time when so many people are so confident in their opinions, and I think this work is defined by my lack of confidence at a moment in my life when I should have the most confidence.
Do you have any advice for the younger generation of folks who want to do what you do someday?
Gadsby: It is a vastly different world out there for new comedians. If anything, theyāre going to be the ones who I will learn off. Theyāre so reliant on the audiences they build themselves, but those audiences donāt necessarily go out to see comedy, and attention is so much different now. My advice would be to resist what seems to work now because the landscape is so changeable and peopleās attention is hopping all over the place and the algorithms pretend they can predict what people want, but really what theyāre doing is making everything boring. It depends what you want out of your career. If you want to be interesting, see what works and try something else. Find your voice first, but how you do that I wouldnāt know.
What advice would you give your younger self?
Gadsby: Iām only just starting to unravel what happened to me. In its own way, success was a traumatic experience ā not in the sense that itās all negative, but it is in the case that itās difficult to comprehend or prepare for or understand. I donāt think weāre psychologically equipped to understand that weāre being perceived by as many people as we are. Itās an insanity.
You canāt comprehend this amount of people and yet youāre talking intimately to them. Thereās an element of faith in that, you know, sending your little signals out and the faith that theyāll land in the right harbors even, as you know, that itāll land on hostile shores at the same time.
So the thing about success is ā in all that trauma, you then will have the means to insulate yourself and protect yourself in a way. But itās all new, and I guess what weāre learning here is I shouldnāt go back to talk to my former self because I probably wouldnāt do anything. Iād go, āThat sounds like too much.ā I think itās best if I donāt imagine whatās going to happen because not doing anything is my superpower.
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